------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Statement/Question: "The issue of whether the sun orbits the Earth, or whether the Earth orbits the sun, or whether they both orbit each other depends on how you want to look at it. This is an issue that doesn't affect anybody. It's like arguing whether maps are upside down. Why is "north" pointing to the top of the map? Why not turn the map upside down so that Australia and Antarctica are at the top? This is an issue that doesn't mean anything to anybody. It's wasting time to discuss it." E.H. Answer 1: "In terms of theology one position calls God a liar the other does not. In terms of science one is "the reality" the other is a "fairy tale". In both cases the effects are direct and real for both theology ( how Scripture is applied or denied ) as well as how the universe really works so as to obtain the greatest possible benefits by exercising the real possibilities that exist for future technologies and its benefits to mankind based on a real knowledge rather than just being content with a status quo of willful apathy and ignorance."Allen Daves. Answer 2: "The truth doesn't depend on "how you look at it". The Earth is either moving or it isn't. One is the truth and one is a lie. The Bible and all known science say it the sun and not the Earth that moves. Maybe you don't care, but you don't want to include everybody in the world in that category, do you? If it's the Bible that you don't like because it's religious, then you won't like the other view either because it too comes from a "holy book" (Kabbala) of a certain religion (Phariseeism). You may change your mind if you check out the facts and how we've all been deceived on this matter." Marshall Hall.
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If you had any scientific education at all you would neither read nor send such uneducated drivel. First - the Bible is completely unsubstantiated - you might as well quote the King Arthur legends. Second - it's totally irrelevant whether the Earth is seen as moving or fixed. The only thing that matters is the RELATIVE motion of one body against another - that's what Einstein is all about. The importance of the Copernican model is that it makes the mathematics way simpler. A "fixed Earth/moving universe" model is totally unworkable mathematically. There is great elegance in the Earth orbiting the sun solution. But it doesn't matter - they both move in the same way relative to each other regardless of your point of view. If you were on the Sun you would see the Earth orbiting the sun. To say that the Earth is fixed and the sun orbits it, is as ridiculous as saying the moon is fixed and the Earth orbits it. In relative terms that is another solution but very complex and inelegant. Please don't send me this psycho babble voodoo science anymore - it really pisses me off." JK
Answer 1: "Only when we hit a nerve, does this kind of emotional reaction come forth. You've challenged his religious Idol, that is, false science. First - substitute "evolution science" for "Bible" and finish the sentence. Second - "irrelevant"?! He knows how relevant it would be if the Earth is shown to be stationary after centuries of theoretical science ( oxymoron ) has assumed the issue settled and then that Einstein buried the issue forever with his juvenile "thought experiments" about "relativity". Heliocentricity makes the math simpler?! What a joke! Whole new "reconstructed mathematics and physics" have to be created for each of the seven observation-denying assumptions that are built into the Pharisee Religion's Kabbalic universe...which he thinks is not in the picture at all, and everything involved on his side is altruistic "secular science". He is in for a big surprise. May God grant him the grace to change when the time comes when that option will be given to the whole world." Marshall Hall
Answer 2:
(a) He does not understand the term "scientific."
(b) Einstein assumed the World to be orbiting the Sun; he did not in any way, shape or form prove it to be doing so.
(c) "The importance of the Copernican model is that it makes the mathematics way simpler." He clearly does not understand the mathematics involved in either system, or he would not make a statement that is contrary to the truth.
(d) "A fixed Earth/moving universe model is totally unworkable mathematically." Nope.
(e)Funny how so many adopt this knee-jerk reaction to things that they do not comprehend, but which they inherently dislike. Neville T. Jones, Ph.D.
Answer 3."The importance of the Copernican model is that it makes the mathematics way simpler." The Copernican model was with the same circular motions and even more epicycles than the Ptolemeus model. M.V.
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Question/Statement:
What I'd like are a few salient points of pure science that speak
to the extreme problems with Copernicus' theory. MRJ
Answer:
1:
"Of all the attempts in the last 400 years to prove Copernicus' theory, the best that the "experts" admit to is that it has never been proven and in fact they can't prove any of it period via the necessity to invoke relativity ( everything is relative, with no absolutes )...however they say, "it is true because it makes the most sense". It is the worldview that is and always was at the heart of the whole issue, not the science." Allen Daves
2:
"Of all the experiments and observations ever performed and conducted to settle this very question through the centuries, show the Earth either motionless as described by MS ( Mainstream Science ) or is in fact at the center of numerous and very distinct shells of distribution of all matter in the universe. In short, there is no other conclusion that anyone can draw about the movement and location of the Earth in the universe without invoking the Copernican worldview first, which is a circular fallacy because it is the Copernican worldview that the observations
would have to demonstrate first in order to logically invoke them
in any explanation of what you observe around you." Allen Daves
3:
"This is a very worthy suggestion/request.
(i) In Geostationary Cosmology, the World does not rotate.
(ii) In Geostationary Cosmology, the World does not orbit the sun.
(iii) Hence, in Geostationary Cosmology, the motions we see are real.
(iv) In Heliocentric Cosmology, the World rotates at a speed that varies with latitude, yet this is supposedly indiscernable.
(v) In Heliocentric Cosmology, the World is going around the sun at 25x the speed of a rifle bullet, yet this is supposedly indiscernable.
(vi) Hence, according to Heliocentric Cosmology, the motions we sense are unreal and those that are real we cannot sense." Dr. Neville Jones
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Statement/Question:
"It is widely accepted, although not by me, that the moon causes the tides. It is also widely accepted, although not by me, that there exists a zero-gravity point situated somewhere between the World and moon.
My question is this: If the ocean were situated at the zero-gravity point, then there would be no tide. Closer to the World the pull of the World is stronger. Closer to the moon the pull of the moon is stronger. The net effect, this side of the zero-gravity point, is always a positive pull by the World. Since this is equivalent to a force of gravity that produces a stronger pull as we take the oceans further this side of the zero-gravity point, then how does the moon produce the tides?" Dr. Neville T. Jones
Response:
"IT DOES NOT DIRECTLY, ONLY INDIRECTLY. Hooray! I’m so glad finally someone else sees this issue too. Further, the tides are one of the major reasons why I model gravity as a vibration, for The Allias Effect shows that the position of the sun and moon has a relationship to gravity on Earth but tides demonstrate that they are not directly related due to the whole satellites issues as well as atmosphere. However, in vibrational gravity the positions of CB's ( Celestial Bodies ) will affect the vibrational wave. In short, the tides are caused by the squeezing effect of the gravity vibration, that is to say, that there is no additional or absence of gravity force, only a uneven squeezing effect that is a result in part due to sun/moon/background-stars positioning ( The Allias Effect proves this ). A vibration is the only known physical explanation that can account for that effect while producing a non-detectable gravity force in all of its anomalies, which are not anomalies but rather clear indicators that gravity is a vibration of aether waves. No other known physical construct could account for all those things." Allen Daves
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Statement: Scripture/Catholic/Geocentrism website HERE
Response:
Good information. The great inconsistency of the RCC ( Roman Catholic Church ) in the realm of doctrine is their bulldog tenacity in using the Bible as the final word never to be toyed with on some subjects while simultaneously elevating Biblically non-existent or totally contradictory doctrines and traditions of the church above plain Bible teachings. The sum of their whole approach to Scripture is to extol it as the ultimate source of truth on all it addresses while at the same time denying "Sola Scriptura" when it conflicts with the "commandments and traditions of men" which is the engine that drives that "angel of light" institution. This doublemindedness has done more to undercut and cripple the use of Scripture to advance the truths of God throughout the world than the many contra-Scriptural errors of Protestantism, and, indeed, is equaled only by the covert impact of the Talmudist/Kabbalists in their various guises. The coming "Fall of Babylon" will reveal the dual service to both God and Satan rendered to the world by the RCC for nearly two millennia. As for the hundreds of millions of the faithful who died before that Fall occurs, they, along with other hundreds of millions blinded to God's Truths in other religions ( and no religion ), will be judged on their works according to what they did and did not know ( I John chapter 2 verses 28,29; John chapter 5 verses 28,29; Romans chapter 2 verses 11-16; Revelation chapter 20 verses 11-13. )
Marshall Hall
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Statement:
Which Eventually Triumphs - heliocentricity or Geocentrism?
Isaiah 14, verses 12-15 [ changed from general to specific topic ]
"How art thou fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer, father of heliocentricity!
how art thou cut down to deceiving with heliocentric theory,
which didst weaken the nations!
For thou hast said in thine heart,
I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my heliocentric theory
above the Geocentrism of God:
I will sit also upon
the mount of the Geocentric Universe,
in the sides of the north:
I will ascend above the heights
of the clouds;
I will be like the most High.
Yet thou Satan and your heliocentric deception shalt be brought down to hell,
to the sides of the pit. Bible, King James Version
Response: "When Babylon Falls there will be no one anywhere who can escape a face-to-face confrontation with the two contenders for their allegiance, that is, God and Satan. God's weapons against His created and foredoomed antithesis ( Satan ), who "has no truth in him" are the Truths that everybody in the world will have to deal with when Babylon Falls. The "war" of Revelation 17 which Jesus wins is a global Truth Tsunami which will leave no anti-Bible lie standing." Marshall Hall
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